Needling Questions: Immunizing Kids
If you choose not to have your child vaccinated against measles, mumps, chicken pox, and other infectious diseases, does your responsibility end there?
It’s a debate that continues as the trend for not vaccinating children increases.
Parents who believe that vaccinations are linked to autism, or who object for religious or other reasons, balk at government regulations that bar their unvaccinated children from attending school if they don’t have the required shots. One anti-vaccination group calls forced vaccination “a violation of human rights.”
But those on the opposite side of the argument say not vaccinating violates the rights of others. According to officials at the Centers for Disease Control, “The decision not to vaccinate is a decision for your child but also a decision for society.” They say that unlike other medical issues where refusing treatment affects only the patient, refusing vaccinations puts others at risk as well, including newborns and people with suppressed immune systems.
Parents of unimmunized children rely on the vast majority of kids who do get their shots, figuring there’s little polio, measles, chicken pox or other pathogens to be found among so many protected kids. But with recent measles outbreaks in four states, that protection may not be enough. “We are seeing outbreaks that look different, concentrated among intentionally unimmunized people,” says an immunization official. “I hope they’re not the beginning of a worse trend.”
Tell us what you think: When it comes to vaccinations, do parents have a responsibility beyond their own children?
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Past the Autism Debate
Vaccines are so dangerous – and it goes beyond autism. First: do we need them? NO! If all those doctors were trained by someone other than big pharma they would see the work done by others. Look at the progression of a disease – it has a natural pattern. The virus mutates over time and reduces in incidence. BEFORE the vaccine is introduced. But closely enough so doctors are taught correlation is causation. I’ve seen the historical charts and for example, polio will be going down in Europe before a vaccine is available. But we introduce it and polio goes down here – it would have done so anyway. (not to mention the reasons for polio – but that’s another story).
The fact doctors push vaccines and the herd theory is because they have not been trained in any other manner. Vaccines are the mainstay of pediatrician income – as is well baby visits. Useless. And soon with universal health care we will have more mandatory everything as vaccines are sold in bulk and your child’s med history will be on computers and you will be held responsible for vaccinations or jailed for “being bad for society.” We are very close to that. It was my son’s doctor who saw his bad reaction and told me, “Never vaccinate this child again.” I didn’t. I researched and read what doctors fail to read and there are many complications beyond autism. Moms – don’t stop fighting the ignorance and arrogance of the medical profession (daughter of a professor from Penn Med.and author of 30 med journal articles. I know them well)
Ann | 1 year, 4 months ago
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Shunning the Unvaccinated???!!!
And this is just reprehensible:
“I do feel that they should be required if your kids are going to be in an environment with my kids -i.e, school. If you wish to home school, and live life “your way”, then have at it.”
I have a child with an autoimmune disorder. Vaccines are a contraindication for him. Giving them to him will make him sicker. So he should not be allowed to attend school with your pristine children?!!
You do understand that between 5 and 10 percent of kids who are fully vaccinated don’t, and will never, acquire immunity for a disease no matter how many shots they get? Should they be left out of society too?
Chronically ill kids perhaps? They get sick easily and might infect your precious ones.
What about just walking around town… your perfect offspring might pass my lesser child in a store and get breathed on. Perhaps he should wear a scarlet U for Unvaxxed and ring a bell every where he goes shouting “Unclean”?
I know… house arrest. THAT would protect your spotless progeny.
I pride myself on not getting emotional about the vaccine debate, because I am in it a lot, but you have managed to set me off.
The only reason that I am not calling you ugly names paragraph is because insults are not allowed on this forum. Make something up in your head that one trucker might say to another, and that is what I think about you suggesting that my beautiful, valuable, sick, autistic, not fully vaccinated little boy should not be given the rights of every other child in this world.
Stop treating children and move to plastic surgery.
Ginger Taylor | 1 year, 4 months ago
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Whatever
There’s no use discussing this issue with hysterics such as yourself. Good Luck and Godspeed.
Russell Delaney | 1 year, 4 months ago
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And at which children’s hospital have you dealt with these diseases and done your studies?
Russell Delaney | 1 year, 4 months ago
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My information
A lot of my information has been derived from “peer-reviewed” medical journals, reports from the CDC on the rate of diseases before/after each vaccine was introduced, speaking to audiologists & behavioral optometrists (showing them the vaccine package inserts), information from the FDA, studying the chemicals in vaccines, viewing VAERS, speaking to teachers about how many children are in special education these days, and viewing countless studies cited in the Neil Z. Miller’s books (all of your Autism/thimerosal studies were seriously flawed by the way). The FDA DOES NOT test any drug or vaccine (which they state on their website). Who does? They leave it up to the drug companies…like they can be trusted after killing tens of thousands with Vioxx, Heparin, and Paxil (major cover-ups)? You sit there and inject children with vaccines on a schedule that has NEVER BEEN tested. Vaccines are only tested for roughly 5-10 days (sometimes 30) and always tested individually. Despite the fact that infants have died within MINUTES of a vaccine – doctors like you “do not see the connection”. They blame it on anything BUT the vaccine. How many VAERS reports have you filed Doc?? Probably zero. Why? Because you are told that reactions occur 1 in every million people. Well, my family of three are living proof that that statement is a LIE. I have no faith in you doctors anymore after what has happened to my family.
If the doctors and nurses had read the vaccine literature – my baby would not have received anymore vaccines after his 2 month reactions. The on-call nurse tried to tell me that his high-pitched screaming was normal!! Little did I know that he was suffering from brain inflammation!! My hearing would still be perfect had the doctors read the vaccine literature before giving it to me. I blame two doctors for almost killing me with that rubella vaccine. Apparently, the patient’s health should be carefully considered before administration. Well, I was suffering from SEVERE PREECLAMPSIA and was rushed back to the hospital less than 24 hours later after the vaccine. My blood pressure shot up to 182/128 and I almost died. It WAS the vaccine because I felt funny within an hour after receiving it.
I would love to see you “healthcare” professionals jailed and heavily fined for not practicing informed consent and not reporting vaccine injuries. My God, VAERS is our only safety net to remove harmful products from the market!
Good luck and Godspeed you tell me? I ask you to listen to parents like me. People like YOU HURT my family!! So, when you are at work think about that next time you are pumping babies full of poison. I hold people like you responsible for LYING to my family about how “safe” and “effective” vaccines are.
Were you even aware that chemists have many of these ingredients in their labs which feature the skull and crossbone on the label? One chemist was horrified to find that his newborn baby would be pumped full of this same garbage if someone didn’t warn him. He refuses to vaccinate his child now. He thinks you doctors are insane. Actually, not all of you are though because 5% of the AAP members do not vaccinate their own children. So, based on 60,000 members – that is roughly 3,000 doctors across the country that are educated. Get a clue and do your homework. Enough with the “blind faith” in the vaccine program. It has hurt millions of people world-wide.
Dawncrim | 1 year, 4 months ago
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Dr. Delaney
You stated that you have 3 beautiful, healthy, bright children….none of them have learning disabilities, diabetes, asthma, ADHD, allergies, etc? I mean none of them are suffering from anything? No repeat ear infections as infants, no repeat illnesses? Just curious.
Dawncrim | 1 year, 4 months ago
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No scientific evidence?
There is no scientific evidence to suggest that vaccines cause Autism because none have legitimately been done. Zilch, Zero, Nada.
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Dawncrim | 1 year, 4 months ago
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Under my skin
As a well-educated and not hysterical, but highly logical and entirely independent thinker, I take exception to that author’s tone and assumption.
I find it ludicrous Ms. McManus would imply that by not vaccinating my children I am somehow morally irresponsible or in any way placing her children at risk. “Vaccination” is far from a panacea. In fact, American vaccines deliver more than possible (though not probable) immunity; mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde, phenol red, anti-freeze, egg, soy, polysorbate, lactose, monkey kidney tissue (and simian virus’ and bacteria that goes untested-for, like HPV), cow protein, neomycin, sodium borate, cow serum DNA, chicken protein, polysorbate 20, polysorbate 8, ethanol, polymyxin B, MSG, gentamycin, mouse serum protein, chick embryo fibroblasts, streptomycin, human albumin (from aborted fetus), egg abumen, Chlortetracycline, and more heinous ingredients too numerous to list join the are mainlined, as well. For the complete list of ingredients, see the CDC list at http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf
I, personally, do not let my children eat food with artificial colors, play with mercury (yes, even in “trace amounts” it is still toxic – especially when “trace” is 50% above what EPA considers toxic waste), lick puddles of antifreeze, eat food laced with MSG or preservatives like polysorbate, and I try not to allow them to take antibiotics when they have no need of them, why would I let them mainline this stuff?!
Ingredients aside, the premise of “herd immunity” is laughable. If you take the time to research, it is abundantly clear that these “dread diseases” were on the decline well before “vaccines” arrived on the scene. The “herd” is best protected through proper sanitation, hand washing, sound nutrition, adequate quality sleep, and ensuring everyone else’s health by STAYING HOME when you are ill.
Temporal immunity offered by vaccination is a random thing, only a percentage of those vaccinated become immune, and of those, even fewer are immune three years later. In the meantime, each person who is vaccinated sheds the virus through their mucous secretions for up to 21 days (every cough, sneeze, trip to the bathroom, wipe of the eye, nose, and mouth, and so on), exposing literally thousands of conceivably at-risk people (who touch the doorknobs, grocery carts, sink faucets, check out pens, atms, gas pump, etc. that this newly vaccinated person used) to the vaccine strain of the virus s/he was vaccinated against. And, this is somehow less of a risk to at-risk populations then a healthy, unvaccinated person (who likely would stay home if experiencing any symptoms of illness) attending church or grocery shopping with the general public? And please note that as egregious as I find your getting vaccinated and then going about my neighborhood shedding nasty germs on everything you touch, I am not lodging complaint that you put myself and my family at risk of catching the “dread diseases” you are indiscriminately shedding on everything you touch – because we are truly healthy and not likely to suffer long in the event we contract these…
As for science, there is not one study which states, unequivocally, that autism is NOT caused by vaccines. There has never even been a double-blind study evaluating outcomes of children who were vaccinated versus those who weren’t. If there is nothing to hide, why not do this study and put the hysterical nay-sayers out of business?
I DO have a moral responsibility, regarding this issue. My responsibility as a citizen of the world is to ensure our children are given the freedom to grow up in a world free from tyranny which would relegate their health to the back burner in its rush to cash-in on the all-mighty Big Pharma dollar. Big Pharma lines politicians’ pockets through its lobby, designs and teaches medical school curriculum, pays for “continuing education” opportunities where doctors learn more of Big Pharma’s curriculum, indirectly gifting doctors, and through the recommended vaccine schedule assuring doctors that their “numbers” will stay high with “well care” visits (and as a result of vaccine-damage sick visits too) – the only losers on their gravy train are the patients; who are, tragically, footing the bill with their wealth and their health.
I would argue I (and my fellow hysterics) am the morally responsible party to this debate.
Mother Maynot | 1 year, 4 months ago
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Sadly, anti-vaccinationism exists
Sadly, anti-vaccination ism exists, and where it does, sloppy thinking and bizarre ‘facts’ are sure to follow.
In point of fact, there are no decent studies that have established a causative link between any vaccine, any vaccine component or any vaccine schedule and autism. This is after 10 years of investigation. Die hard believers switch from hypothesis to hypothesis with barely a chance to draw breath: its thiomersal, no its MMR, no its both, no its aluminium, no its all three, no its all vaccine ingredients, no its the schedule, no its everything. The only common strand amongst these ideas is that there is an equal amount of decent science supporting them i.e. none at all.
I see the usual antivax canards in the comments above. The horrors of aluminium. And yet, using the papers references “http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=873“here, it is clear to see that under the current vaccination schedule, a six year old receives the same amount of aluminium as they would after between 51 days to a year of breastfeeding. Aluminium exists in breast milk after all.
And Formaldehyde. Using the papers referenced at the same link above, a 6 year old receives the same amount of Formaldehyde under the current US vaccine schedule as exists in one thin slice of banana. Formaldehyde also exists naturally in apples, pears, cabbages, cauliflower, carrots and a wide range of other things regularly fed to babies and toddlers.
And this nonsense about anti-freeze. There’s no anti-freeze in vaccines. A single component of antifreeze – polyethylene glycol – is used to inactivate the flu virus in one brand of that vaccine; it is also used in the purification of certain vaccines. Its also used in some skin creams and toothpastes.
Anti-vaxxers also love to question herd immunity and say no evidence for it exists. There are over 800 papers discussing herd immunity in PubMed, including “http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18343273?ordinalpos=22&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum” this one from which I quote:
“A previous review of the literature spanning the years 1998 to 2005 pertaining to the incidence of IPD among non immunized individuals in countries with universal PCV7 immunization suggested an indirect protective effect (herd protection, or community immunity) after widespread vaccination.”
But herd immunity doesn’t work in isolation. It works together with improved sanitation, cleaner water etc. Vaccination is not 100% perfect, no medical procedure is. That is why herd protection is important. In my own country (the UK) we have “http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2166778” Teenager-dies-of-measles-as-cases-continue-to-rise,-Government-officials-say.recently tragically seen what happens when (thanks to MMR scare-mongers) herd immunity breaks down.
What it comes down to at the end of the day for anti-vaxxers is a collection of poor science (usually unfindable in PubMed), a hatred of decent science (apparently it is always ‘paid for’ by ‘pharma shills’) and a big conspiracy to hide ‘the truth’. This apparently is ‘free thinking’.
Disclaimer: parent to an autistic child.
Kevin Leitch | 1 year, 4 months ago
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Vaccines and Autism- no link?
I have been reading all I can on this matter. Different stories, facts, blogs, you name it. And, if you look at the studies from several years ago to now, one thing that frightens me are the mercury levels in even the flu shot alone. In the 80’s, people only had 4 micrograms of mercury over several years total. Today, there are 25 micrograms of mercury in one single flu shot! Also, the number of vaccines have about tripled over the years. One part of me says, “as a parent, protect your child. Trust the only person you can in this matter.. Your pediatrician.” But, on the other side, “protect your child, and trust what God gave you..Motherly instinct and intuition.”
Patrick's mommy | 1 year, 4 months ago
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